drazen: halo
mama: ej..
drazen: da li ste poceli sa b'castom
drazen: b) da li nas vidite
mama: sta da radim s onim sdp fajlom....ja ga nemogu dic na server jer nema
admin pass..
drazen: ok, taj file je vec na serveru
mama: probao sam real i vic^rat..koji hoces da pokrenem
drazen: to ti je samo za info o postovima
mama: vidmo vas..jel ide i ton?_
drazen: ide
drazen: jel cujete?
mama: sve ok...ja krecem za 10 sek..
mama: kad pokrecfem rat kaye da je location1.org/30400 error..
mama: upisao sam ip 214.181.65.31/30400
drazen: ne 31, 11
drazen: 204.181.65.11/30400
mama: k.
mama: sve ide..
drazen: okprobam
drazen: ne dobijam
drazen: dakle oba stream idu na 204.181.65.11
mama: ne...cek..
drazen: vic (video) na 30?? koji port pise u sdp filetu
drazen: a audio isto
drazen: ja nemam mama.sdp kod sebe
mama: ok...vi sada na 11
mama: vic
drazen: vidomo vas
mama: ton ide sad...
drazen: ok probacu
drazen: ne cujem vas, probajte ponovo rat, koji je codec kod vas podesen?
drazen: probaj dvi ili mu=law
mama: daj url za qt player koji nije embeded..
mama: cek
drazen: nas stream: rtsp://location1.org:7071/rage128 ili rage56
drazen: vas stream rtsp://location1.org:7071/mama
mama: ok dvi i mju lo..
mama: jel se cuje
mama: ili da restartam..
drazen: ne, mozda je ovo dosta sa chatom
mama: hm..ja bih ipak ton..cek da restartam stroj...sa ovim sttings
drazen: ok, 5 micpusenje
drazen: jel mozemo da predjemo na engleski, ja projektujem chat
fritzie: This is Fritzie and I am web jockey but speak only English and French...will this be in English?
mama: yup..I am all for it
mama: seb 4 mama
mama: how r u
fritzie: Thank you...
fritzie: I am ok and eager to hear what you guys are saying...
fritzie: Dan is here holding Adrian and says Hello from the baby,,,
mama: just tech
mama: but if u want a brief intro...no audio from ygb..
fritzie: Who is this speaking?
mama: drazen...can zou hear us
drazen: let me try
mama: mu-law and dvi
mama: whats for dinner?
drazen: i can see you, but no sound though
drazen: do not stop the video
mama: k.
mama: what about the sound?_
mama: only 8 bit mono...higher sound lower video..
fritzie: Thai food
fritzie: And what are you doing --or reading there.. we see you but do not hear you.
mama: theatrical rehearsal..weare about to set the scene now..in 15-20 min
mama: too many programs so little time >)))
fritzie: Will we see you guys later?
mama: yup...
mama: where are you fritzie?
fritzie: We are here in Soho apartment...will you be having some food?
mama: yup..
mama: but not me...can-t type with greasy fingerz
fritzie: Ha!
fritzie: Just saw a bit of the table!!!
mama: it is coming together
fritzie: What's for dinner over there?
drazen: we can see you
mama: chinese takaaway...paper plates and cups..
fritzie: Will you be able to actually hear us?
mama: yes
seb4mama: drazen..can zou hear us
seb4mama: fritzie?
drazen: i will try it in a sec
seb4mama: k.
drazen: no, sound is not coming through
drazen: did you pres mute?
fritzie: We can see yo but you are dark...can you open the camera a bit?
drazen: do you see the sound meter running
seb4mama: yes
seb4mama: sound meter is running I-ve checked mute now..but...that is wrong...so I-ve unchecked it..
seb4mama: shall I reduce the rate video is 128 now...lower?
seb4mama: oi?
fritzie: no it is ok, if you are ok with it.
seb4mama: well
fritzie: We are now looking at the goHome website and Sandra and Danica are showing it to the assembled participants. It is a world premier!!
fritzie: We will now start the official streaming....
drazen: za 2 min
[5fe46279.0315590c.213.191.140.178] (11/11/2001 13:43.11) natasa: hello
natasa: as the sound doesn-t work
natasa: we-re doin it...other waz
mama-connection: is Drazen there ?
drazen: drazen logged in from jmacg at 11/11/2001 13:46.27 (telnet)
drazen: mi idemo
mama-connection: Drazen: prolazio li slika?
mama-connection: s nase strane?
natasa: da...ali ni vi nemate ton\
natasa: log out
mama-connection -> drazen: prolazi li slika drazene?
drazen: da, slika dolazi
natasa: a imate vi nasu sliku_ton.
fritzie: fritzie
natasa: yipee
natasa: drazene?
fritzie: I really love this!
mama-connection -> drazen: http://location1.org:7071/mama mi ne pokazuje nista ...je li tamo stream od mame
natasa -> mama-connection: yblace..sta?
fritzie: What Katherine is saying is that wee will talk for a few minutes here and then you guys shoul \d respond
natasa -> mama-connection: ok...we have nou sound from your end..
mama-connection -> drazen: commenting live ?;) on IRC
natasa -> mama-connection: we will fax
natasa -> mama-connection: all that we can
fritzie: Katherine is saying that in construction homes...there are always language problems and media plays a role in dealing with these problems/issues
natasa -> drazen: mi nemamovas ton..
fritzie: K is citing Appaduri in saying that media influences imagination, too and hopes we can discuss this.
mama-again: our link is up http://services.mi2.hr/mrtg/leased.html
3Wendy and Carol: sound was scratchy now we have none
the-living: greetz from Amsterdam
fritzie: Introduction are going on we have diner include: Shelly Silver, who is a video maker.
fritzie: That is she will shorter dark hair.
todd: todd logged off
living: Todd will be back
the-living: welcome back Toddy
todd: todd logged off
fritzie: Now Eli..zabeth Cohen is speaking. s...he is a video artist
fritzie: Now SandraSterle
mama1: we are starting here in Croatian for the momment *Sabina giving introduction*
the-living: what does she say, I have no audio stream coming in
fritzie: Sandrais saying that travel is destructive
the-living: (I'm assuming intros)
fritzie: Now Danicia is introuducing herself
fritzie: Yes intros
natasa -> drazen: mi nemamo audio..
natasa -> drazen: vas..
fritzie: Now Martha Wilson of Franklin Furnance and a performance artist
drazen: can we get a little more brighter picture from zg...more light ?
the-living: is there a techish person that can explain why I have no stream?
mama1: can zou get the signal UP we can HARDLZ hear zou
fritzie: Martha is saying that it took her 24 hour and several print images
to actually understand what happend on 9-11
mama1: Zorry for EE keyboard>)(
natasa -> drazen: heheh
the-living: no audio/no video
fritzie: Now Beka Nanic who is an instuctor of English and an Artist
the-living: Todd says he can only type in symbols.... his keyboard
mysteriously doesnt work.
todd: hello
fritzie: Now Slavko is speaking.
fritzie: Ican read now todd's writing
the-living: now it seems to work, TOdd.
todd: hey pp
drazen: the-living: no audio/video?
todd: no audvid here either
the-living: (Todd and the-living are having dinner as well...)
fritzie: Can Zagreb introduce themselves?
fritzie: Please?
seb: right
the-living: We dont' hear you either!!!! turn on the stream!!!
mama1: we can only try ...
mama1: we finally hear you!
drazen: the stream is up,
fritzie: They hear us laughing???
fritzie: Please introduce yourselves via typing?
Wendy and Carol: we still have no sound
drazen: i turned the sound level up
the-living: hm. why i don't hear stream? only see lovely blue and white
quicktime animation /Q'
todd: i hear nothing
drazen: try reloading please
todd: but i also have my stereo on 10
the-living: ok. preference for explorer or netscape?
drazen: enable correct bit rate and possibly http
the-living: ha ha ha Todd.
mama1: What How and for Whom< Natasa, sabina, Ana, Ivet
todd: what can't hear you
the-living: (making Spinal Tap jokes at such an auspicious fritzie: I would
like to see who is being introduced..canyou open the camera more
fritzie: We saw you perfectly before...now you are dark
mama1: Tea from Center for Women Studies, Sanja Ivekovic and Mladen
Stilinovic, Artists, Ljiljana Filipovic, Philosopher, Branko Franceschi,
Curatoor, Sven and Maja Editors of Libra Libera Magayine, Yeljko Blace from
Mama, Leila Topic, Art Historian
mama1: We are noe introducing Go Home and Broadcasting Projects
fritzie: Hello hello
mama1: Broadcasting is conceived as series of lectures and events, and
international exhibition which will open in Januarz
Medo: Nice to see you all, but don't hear anything. Nothing hear even after
reload. Will this disscusion be published somewhere?
mama1: Brocan zou see us_ if we turn on the lights we can not look at the
diplaz
fritzie: . Please respond to our topics if you will...the notion of
imagination being directed by media and language. etc.
mama1: Ana is noe explaining the simillarities in the apraoches fritzie:
Sandra is asking about difference between this unstable media and other
medias and how that is working it's magic on us now.
the-living: unstable
fritzie: This will be on project-go-home website
the-living: so ... should the chat folks have their own discssion if we
cannot participate in the discussion at L1?
todd: not the right config, maybe
fritzie: Sandra is saying that new media just looks different..more
unpredicable
the-living: fritzie, what is the purpose of the chat?
fritzie: Shelly is saying that the instabily is worth the ncesew resour
fritzie: That is worth the new resources
normals: we are actually four here at normals: sabine, lisbet, jos and
srdjan
the-living: ; )
fritzie: Elizabeth is saying that the self can be seen in process
the-living: so can technology
fritzie: hello normal people
egbert -> fritzie: Hello Fritzie,( Kathrin, Sandra an Danica)!
fritzie: Yes the living that what was saying - tech show the individual in
process
mama1: we just desrcibed the connections between Broadcasting Project and
go?HOME, and now Ana is announcing Mladen Stilinovic and Sanja Ivekovic,
artists whose work reflects the issues of media and trasnlations etc
mama1: Stilinovic is now reading a letter to the ART
fritzie: Martha-asks about what objects were brought away from home with
her? Sandra
the-living: fritzie, I was saying that the technology is also in process.
(referring to the fact that we have no livestream) but meaning it just the
same.
mama1: THe letter was FAXed to zou So Zou can read it there at L1
mama1: Did zou recived the letter on your FAX maschine?>
fritzie: We are not near our fax machine...and did not get it
mama1: And now thinkig about IT) :
egbert -> fritzie: Also this time the quality of the picture and the sound
(here in Germany) is as poor as it was last time. Okay, wish you a
successful diner. egbert
the-living: Internet Technologies or 'it'? Je suis tres confuse
fritzie: Beka said she brought with her a garlic press and a kitchen towel
when she left her country
the-living: I brought a pair of Dr. Martens boots with a flower motief on
them.
the-living: when I left my country
fritzie: Shelly is saying that she brought only tech things.
bojan_1: bojan_1: verica, flav & me congratulate danica for she knows what
todd: you didn't leave the country
the-living: hey mama!
todd -> the-living: lol lol lol
logged off
todd -> the-living: mama get it?
mama1: natasa is now introducing sanja-s work losa of luxembourg sanja will
now tell about that project and also abut the reactions to it. she will also
read few letters which tell about the development of the projects. hm, we
faxed those too!
the-living -> todd: hi tootly. let's wait. this convo needs to get going.
somehow.
todd -> the-living: hey i saw you the other day, looking fine!
the-living: Mama is a log-off
fritzie: Mama will be back
todd: don't talk bout mama thata way
the-living: she's still a log off
drazen: we are back, the laptop crashed
fritzie: Slavko is saying without his gadgets he can not work
todd -> the-living: she a bein no log off, you bullum head
Wendy and Carol: we have no sound
mama1: we hear you ... but Sanja Ivekovic is now talking about her project
in Luxemburg
the-living: FRITZIE - DEARIE, we are beginning to act up in the CHAT. Why
because we are not bein given enough information. We e do not feel part of
what is happening. What can we/you do about this situation.
fritzie: What is your experience you Zagreb guys about how you recreated
home upon leaving home...
drazen: we are back, ok?
the-living: ok, welcome back. could you please tell us about your experience
of 'coming back?
fritzie: What do you meanby coming back???
drazen: back to full broadcast, one channel was down for asecond
mama1: personal toughts by Zeljko... comming back was not an issue as we R
here and haven"t left.:_
the-living: 'Drazen: we are back, ok?'
the-living: that's what I mean by 'back'
the-living: now we're gettin somewhere.
mama1: :)
mama1: really :)
the-living: Hoi Tina!
fritzie: Sandra says that the living is going to be coming back soon...good
luck,,,,it is different here
tinalaporta: hi debra! ; )
fritzie: Helo tina
the-living: many French Kisses to Sandra!
mama1: we R locked behind bad webcast and Chinese food (getting colder by
the minute) ...
drazen: is this an effort of being funny,or just cheap cultural stereotype
the-living: cheap cultural sterotype
todd: cheap cultural stereotype
mama1: What is Sandra fealing after coming back to leave in Zadar after half
of decade in NL< >
drazen: alway open for cultural stereotypes, especially cheap
fritzie: Good question...I'll ask her..
tinalaporta: the vid looks good but my bandwith drops out audio
the-living: we see nothing how do fix?
todd: we see nothing how do fix
mama1: there is nothing CHEAP in STEREOTYPES (it takes to long to bild them
to this status to be just CHEAP)
tinalaporta: can someone summerize the discussion???????\
the-living: we are not reduct
todd: we will not reduct
the-living: give us vid
todd: give us vid
tinalaporta: i c vid
the-living: give us aud
todd: give us aud
tinalaporta: sound drops out at low band
todd: we see nothing how do fix
the-living: we see nothing how do fix?
mama1: Hi! This is Maja Starcevic, I wanted to ask whether Ammiel Alcalay
was there_
tinalaporta: debra--> what r u working on?
fritzie: Slavko is talking about how German has assumed the role of mother
tongue for him...he find it more useful (?)
drazen: try to reload the page, please
Wendy and Carol: what do the artists do to establish "a little bit of home"
when they re-locate?
the-living -> tinalaporta: hi tina, working on a project Artist-Astronaut -
actually just finished and working with the European Space Agency
fritzie: They bring tea towels and video cameras
the-living -> tinalaporta: the project Artist-Astronaut opened up some
connections in the field of space exploration
tinalaporta: cool... is the work on-line?
julie: julie logged in from wtr-31722.fas.harvard.edu at
fritzie: and a garlic press
the-living -> tinalaporta: now I work together with a colleauge on
hybiridising this industry opening oup opportunities for artists.
tinalaporta: did u see the french woman astronaut?
the-living -> tinalaporta: yes I did. what are you working on?
[fritzie: Tina, realy?
the-living -> tinalaporta: (I'm getting dressed to go out.. one sec.....
away from kybd.)
tinalaporta: hi fritzie! yes, first french woman in space
fritzie: Danica is also saying that she translates from Bosnian to German to
English
tinalaporta: hm... interesting
Wendy and Carol: very interesting
mama1: Sanja is talking about a debate her sculpture @Lady Rosa of Luxrmbour
@ caused in Luxemburg.
tinalaporta: debra---> i have new work, i am interested in installing my
artport/live webcam piece as installation in physical space
jana: I'm having a late start. What pages are they looking at now.
fritzie: Now Beka is saying that her artist students are less interested in
learning English...the more tech or business they are, the more serious they
are.
mama1: Shes reading letters sent to her bz different people regarding this
project.
fritzie: Shelly and she agree that they could go to china with three words
of Chinese and a video camera
mama1: We arent reallz talking about home or relocation right now.
fritzie: I would like to hear about the debate caused by this project of
Sanjas
tinalaporta: i encourage my students to create their hypertext works as
bilingual but very few of them choose to
fritzie: Hi jeanie
Jeanne from Pittsburgh: Hi Fritzie and everyone!
tinalaporta: hi jana
fritzie: Tina, I assume they opt for English?
Pero: Question for Dr. Kacunko. We are always talking about artist. But
what's about art historians. How do you feel to be a stranger in NY?
mama1: It was the words written on this sculpture on the postament , or
below, the sculpture were the ones that really caused trouble.
tinalaporta: yes fritzie they go for english, i'm always surprised since i
show them works that are very successful bi lingual pieces
[6013d994.032fdff8.shellterm.mi2.hr] (11/11/2001 14:40.48) mama1: These
wrods were Kitsch WHORE LA RESISTANCE , basicallz WHORE was the most
provocative because the sculpture was a replica of Luxemburgs national
szmbol
fritzie: Tina are they native English speakers?
tinalaporta: nice shot of sandra
fritzie: ah, thanks I'll introduce this discussion
tinalaporta: no my students in nyc are 50% foriegn
mama1: No, no one here is a NATIVE ENglish speaker, whatever that means
fritzie: We going to talk about the Sanja debate now...we are imfamiliar
with it
fritzie: Sanja was the piece actually realized?
fritzie: Slavko is saying he never thought of becoming an artist
tinalaporta: can u save the chat? it would be nice for your book
fritzie: He felt that language was his area
fritzie: He was interested in the parellel between language and aesthetics
mama1: zes her work was realiyed, as replica of original monument erected
few metars awaz from the original. her replica was mostz the same, but the
female figure standing at the hig obelisk was clearlz pregnant.
fritzie: CRAZY
mama1: the monument inititated huge debate, and verz often artist-s origin
was raised / woman, artist, coming from Croatia, countrz of doubtful
democratic traditions....
fritzie: really terrific...I would love an image
the-living -> tinalaporta: we must go see film. bye
todd: we must go see film bye
fritzie: bye
tinalaporta: bye debra-- see you soon!!!
mama1: how dare she comment on our internal affairs_
mama1: she was ofered to apologiye...
the-living -> tinalaporta: bye bye
fritzie: whose internal affairs...I am confused now
normals: we want to see more of shelly on the left
the-living: we must go see film bye
fritzie: we will try to oblige
mama1: sheinternal affairs of luxemburg / text commented on the formation of
luxemburg identity as it is szmboliyed bz allegorical figure of woman
fritzie: Shelly ask the artists if they feel more a part of "US" now after
living with us thru 9-11
normals: thanks
fritzie: she says she is too busy being amom toanswer this.
tinalaporta: i've been in nyc for 9 years and i still feel like a tourist
here
fritzie: Sandra and Danica are saying that people here think they understand
better because they have been thu war.
mama-techHelp -> drazen: prolayi li sad ikakav yvuk na vasu stranu ?
fritzie: That they have seen destruction...but Danica feels like she is more
here than she was during war in Bosnia
fritzie: But it is also strange for her as she has no family here..or
friends among victims
fritzie: she says she's here but emotionally out.
fritzie: and also go home is about being in or out. That is the discussion.
Pero: Slavko, can you see in this parallel between language and aestetics
some specific differnces contained video works of art by nomad artists?
fritzie: Danicas
tinalaporta: what did she say?
mama-techHelp: Is there a REAL possibility of fealing @ home in a such big
citz without limiting it to your own neighbourhood and friends (or ART
community:)
fritzie: saying that the media was her window onto the war here and then
too.
tinalaporta: now... we migrate thru media
tinalaporta: yes art community = extended family
mama-techHelp: maybe a bit to small and limited to be healthy
tinalaporta: what is Katherine saying??
fritzie: She is asking the question to Slavko about range of video art
tinalaporta: ahhhhh
mama-techHelp: ...Sabina is currently getting the conversation back on the
track :)
fritzie: There is an argument now
tinalaporta: the audio drop out is kind of interesting esp since language is
part of the topic to discuss
fritzie: Slavko thinks that the artist needs to travel and Shelly thinks
that a lot of really bad work gets made from "international" projects
tinalaporta: actually language and media
mama1: Agree with Shally... especialy since it tends to be politicaly
interesting and SAFE in the same time
mama1: By this I am being eronicall
mama1: What do you think about maintaing collaborative projects over
atlantic via media support (netcasting/fax/phone)
fritzie: Slavko speaks about his experiences here in NY have taught him to
trust his experiences more.
tinalaporta: mama--> i this this is an interesting area to explore
mama1: (sorry forall bad spelling ... but I dont have monitor near by...
only video beam
tinalaporta: the remoteness is a challange but can be more practical than
re-location
fritzie: My spelling and typing are just horrible...and I am not even trying
it in another language.
fritzie: Sandra is saying that the possibility to travel is more important
than the actual travel
mama1: WE are currenty listening to the fragments and ideas based on
@Sculpturs Funeral@
tinalaporta: fritzie--> your mssgs are very helpful
fritzie: I am not familiar with this Sculpturs Funeral
tinalaporta: what is shelly saying?
mama1: Neither was I LJ. Filipovic:The pleasures of being suprised of never
taking anything for granted; of learning to make to do in circumstances of
shaky instability... An intellectual life is fundamentaly about knowledge
and freedom)
fritzie: Shelly is asking if any of the Americans at table speak any
language as well as the other speak English...it is a silly question....of
course not.
fritzie: Hello to Nelli and Eric and all our love to them
tinalaporta: when the towers went down, because i do not have cable there
was only one english speaking stations, the other three were spanish
fritzie: Slavko says that working with older artists in Asia is not so easy
as they do not have english to the degree that he encounters elsewhere
mama1: ljiljana said that emigration is not just about leaving real estates
but its framework is compunded bz manz differentfacets and could be
investaigated from diverse standpoints, not just of displaced persons but
also from perspective of those who tazed in homeland and verz often bitterlz
feel abandoned. It includes not onlz different tzpes of anxieties and
identity crisis for those in exile but also for those at home.
mama1: Branko Frachesci responded to frustrations of those who stayed at
home
mama1: now he speaks about Iranian artist Ghayele, who just opened the show
in Yagreb
tinalaporta: mama--> what kind of work is ghayele?
fritzie: KAtherine will try to bring these things into the conversation
mama1: Sorry Her name is Ghazel & is from Iran
mama1: she just openned an exhibition in www.mkg.hr
mama1: Miroslav Kraljevic Gallery
Pero: I am sorry but haven't got Shelly on this dinner list. Is she an art
historian or artist. Because I don't agree with her that the art from
"international" programs is bad art. What is "internatioanl art, anyway? The
roots of contemporary US art are the same like, for exaple, for Croatian
art. They have both araised from European avantgarde. Today we can talk only
about social dimension of art, especially artists. This is the only
difference between US and Craotian or Slovenian art today.
fritzie: Shelly also says that she felt hostility toward people who left
from artists in Hong Kong...that there is a divide...and separate
communities
mama1: Ther eis a MAJOR difference which makes art Stamped by its origin ...
mama1: none of the avanguards that we now persived as European are no more
then individual attempts on fighting with past and Croatian art is 6
tinalaporta: back to language: some here in us feel that it is becomming a
bilingual country english/spanish
tinalaporta: actually, there are entire communities here who have no english
languae skills
mama1: very much devide in between people who are able to produce and exibit
in Internatuional contexts and those who dont*
tinalaporta: as media and government create spanish only programming it
actually creates a class barier
fritzie: Shelly was saying that there is a perception in Hong Kong there is
a superficiality in exported art
mama1: ...Now editors of Libra Libera magazine are talking about their new
issue which was prepeared before summer and had Islam and migration as major
topic
tinalaporta: exported art caters to the market
fritzie: Mama, can you speak more about how you discriminate between the two
groups
tinalaporta: mama--> how can i read a copy of libra?
mama1: They ware translating texts from Arab languages to Croatian
fritzie: hi mom
mama1: There is an on/line version ... look up www.attack.hr
fritzie: I will, thanks
mama1: Regarding previously mentioned discrimination ...LONG STORY for IRC
... but maybe SANDRA can tell you something about her work from pre .NL age
as she was a student on very non/contemporary academy here in Zagreb
mama1: most of the people teaching/working there have no or hardly any
international experiance
tinalaporta: i'm very interested in how these discussions will affect our
work
fritzie: We will be ending our streaming fairly soon...but really thank you
guys for your participation...I hope we can do it again. There is a lot to
talk about.
Jeanne from Pittsburgh -> fritzie: thanks Fritzie--sorry I couldn't hear,
but I tried to follow the text
tinalaporta: it's a very nice project
mama1: if you have some time you can see interesting videos done by Nabila
Irshad and Me on boo.mi2.hr/~zblace/Border_Hacking/ or similar...
fritzie: sandra is typing this---yes, it's so frustrating when nobody's
looking at you....or at your work...and being at Acads
mama1: Ljiljana is talking about lack of education that would be appropriate
mama1: for international context ...
Pero: To mama: I don't agree that the Academy in Zagreb is conservative
place to teach about conteporary art. Nobady became a contemporary artist
studing at acadamy anywhere in the world. This is a personal choice
afterthat.
fritzie: emy in Zagreb...you do feel like at the end of the world....but,
you know I miss that too.You have all the time...and you actually can make a
good piece of work.
drazen: hi mama, this was good, we might continue b'cast on more regular
basys
tinalaporta: hi drazen
fritzie: I'm all for that, Drazen
drazen: hi tina
mama1: I would tottaly disagree with Sandra ... State is the only that can
provide fascilities for Multimedia production Since there is no Art Market
here... very few exceptions can be made
fritzie: They are now talking aion, about other forms of communicat
mama1: Mama is currently fool of people arguing over topics which are very
domestic
fritzie: We will leave you now to your arguments...
fritzie: thanks again...
mama1: I have to say that My *zeljko* primary interest in this was FORMAT of
the event and not the topic itself ...
drazen: ok, i am sitching b'cat to the other channel
drazen: salute to all, ciao
Wendy and Carol: good event
tinalaporta: neither state or free market support multimedia production
mama1: It proved to be a good Challange for all
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mama1: Sabina will now do the klicking :)
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Pero: Have a nice day in NY, all of you. Goodnight Zagreb.
mama1: we also want to thank zou guzs in nz. although we were not able to
follow the discusion much... at least, we gather here for thi occasion and
discuss a little bit ourselves!
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